<br><br><div><span class="gmail_quote">On 8/5/05, <b class="gmail_sendername">Richard Bronosky</b> <<a href="mailto:mythtv@bronosky.com">mythtv@bronosky.com</a>> wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
Ryan Steffes wrote:
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The trick of the whole situation is that the only protections that
even kinda work are the ones that use bad data. However, it can't
be TOO bad or you wouldn't be able to play it at all, and the amount of
peopel who watch movies/listen to music on their computers is too large
a segment to ignore.<br>
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I recently got a copy of Hitch to take with me on vacation. My
plan was to rip to my external drive, with some other movies, and stick
it in a bag. We can watch it on a laptop when we get there, or
pipe it through the laptop to composite-in on the TV. However,
the copy I got was a used movie rental and has that Sony protection
with the bad sectors. Mythtv, <a>dvd::rip</a>, and mencoder all freaked
trying to rip it. Maybe there's a way around it with those, but I
don't know.<br>
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What I do know is that mplayer didn't care as much about making the
file a perfect rip and played it just fine. Once I realized that,
it didn't take me long to do the math and just play it to a file
through mplayer and create my own nice little vob. Even the best
CD copy protection isn't going to stop people from connecting line-out
to line-in -- old school tape recorder style.<br>
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Ditto for DVDs, it's not that hard to play your DVD out to PVR
in. Standard formats just can't be protected too much or they
become useless, and you aren't going to sell a new standard to people
who are very happy with the old standard. No one is going to be
able to force everyone to change their TV, stereo equipment, computer
hardware, car stereo, radios, boomboxes, dvd players, VHS players, and
put special DRM chips in everything, including ALL speakers and
microphones and video cameras. That's what you'd have to do to
keep any copies from being made ever.<br>
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No law can protect a bad business model forever.<br>
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<font face="Arial">HDMI... all future video out will be similar to
it. Shortly after HD-DVD is defacto, DVDs will no longer be made. All
HD-DVD players will only output over a protected method... Analog
cable too will disappear and all the new cable and satellite receivers
will also use protected outputs... Then this mailing list will be
discussions about the kinds of file servers, gaming boxes and home
automation/video surveillance machines that people are converting their
PVRs into.<br>
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It's sad, but it is coming. Pessimistic? No, informed.<br>
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<pre cols="72"> Thank you for your time,<br> --==<< R i c h a r d B r o n o s k y >>==--<br><br>Nearly all viruses and spyware are designed to use Microsoft internet products. Protect yourself by avoiding Internet Explorer & Outlook/Outlook Express.
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All efforts thusfare are meeting with limited success, despite articles
pushing it as the next big thing. There will just be very little
change until vast majority of current products meet the end of their
lifespan due to the fact they have to maintain compatability to
maintain profitability. Frankly, the bulk of consumers
don't care about high definition. I've seen it in all it's glory,
in allegedly "as good as it gets" conditions, and frankly I could care
less.<br>
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VHS and DVD machines still cost $20 bucks, and plenty of 19 inch TV's
are still being sold for $100 with good old fashion hook ups.
Even more importantly, plenty of 32 inch $500 TV's are being sold
without HD. That market isn't going away, so there will always be
converter boxes, and you will always be able to record it.<br>
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All the other talk is wishfull thinking of people who don't look at the
raw economics of the situation. For a large percentage of
American families, the TV is the most expensive electronic item they
own. They can't just make people replace that. Maybe in
other countries the numbers are different.<br>
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-- Ryan<br>